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    possible missing equipment

    I recently inherited 40 acres in Arizona. Can one of you nice people answer some questions that I have concerning the well on the land. There seems to be some parts missing in the pump house. I need to discribe what IS there and be advised as to what my be missing. It was my Father's place and I visited it many times, but I am not able to recall what was in there at any time, as it was always covered up with insulation material. But now it is obvious that folks have helped themselves to whatever they wanted or needed.
    Thanks so much...... Bill

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    Bill,

    You didn't tell us what you have in there now.

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    Where is your 40 acres located, if it's close I'll take a field trip and go look at it.... after all AZ is a small place.

    Rancher

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    PatOz,
    At the present time there is definatly a pump of some typ, it is sealed at the top so it is not possible to establish what hp or size. There are wires coming out and going to two different small electric devices. One of these boxes has what seems to be either a relay, a circut breaker, or maybe voltage regulator. It is the last box just before it goes to the pump. Also, when you take the lid off of it, it has 3 or 4 prongs that connect to receptive slots in the body of it. The other device does not have a removable lid. It is first in line from the power source and has a small diameter tube coming out of it that I thought was cut off, but a closer observation displayed a crimped end, so it is evident that it was designed that way. The tube itself is about 6 inces long. Other than that, nothing else is present.
    We had the electricity shut off from the power pole some years ago, I would say the last time that I had it working was 5 years back. When I visited the ranch last week, I took a power inverter intending to dertimine if the system was in working order. I was not succesfull in doing so because of the missing equipment. The well shed stands alone about 50 feet from the house, inside the shed there is a wood box containg the entire system and inside the box you can tell that there voids and parts missing. Especially since the wire discribed above were more or less just hanging in mid air above disturbed insulation.
    One last clue would be that at one particular junction in the pipe just before leaving the box a pipe is missing that feeds into it from who knows what. It was cut off for sure. PVC pipe by the way. I thought that it may be a filter but there is 100% no return line to the main line it came from.... make since to you??

    Thanks again.... Bill



    Rancher,
    The acreage is located just east of Holbrook, in Sun Valley. And yes, Az. can be small if you cut it up into 100 mile increments on trips to the ranch. Let me know if you intend to take the plunge. I am on vacation for the next 3 weeks, I could also go back there if necessary.

    Bill

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    Bill,

    No, it doesn't make since to me but then I'm a forum moderator and not a well/pump expert.

    From what you described, I'm guessing your pump is located above ground. Is it a shallow well pump or do you know? Do you have any idea how deep your well is?

    It sounds like to me, you need a well/pump guy to come and look at your situation. Perhaps Rancher may be able to help if you are not too far away.

    Check back, some of the experts will be on here tomorrow.






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    quote:Originally posted by my well is not well

    At the present time there is definatly a pump of some typ, it is sealed at the top so it is not possible to establish what hp or size. There are wires coming out and going to two different small electric devices.
    OK sealed at the top... i.e. there is a large diameter pipe coming out of the ground and there are wires and a water pipe coming out of it? Looks like a submersible pump.

    quote:Originally posted by my well is not well

    One of these boxes has what seems to be either a relay, a circut breaker, or maybe voltage regulator. It is the last box just before it goes to the pump. Also, when you take the lid off of it, it has 3 or 4 prongs that connect to receptive slots in the body of it.
    This is the "3wire" pump controller box, it's job is to start and sometimes overload protect the pump, is there a label on the box, i.e. brand name, HP rating?

    quote:Originally posted by my well is not well

    The other device does not have a removable lid. It is first in line from the power source and has a small diameter tube coming out of it that I thought was cut off, but a closer observation displayed a crimped end, so it is evident that it was designed that way. The tube itself is about 6 inces long.
    Not sure what this is.

    quote:Originally posted by my well is not well
    When I visited the ranch last week, I took a power inverter intending to dertimine if the system was in working order. I was not succesfull in doing so because of the missing equipment.
    I doubt if you own a big enough inverter or enough batterys to start the pump, a 5-8 KW generator might do it.
    quote:Originally posted by my well is not wellOne last clue would be that at one particular junction in the pipe just before leaving the box a pipe is missing that feeds into it from who knows what. It was cut off for sure. PVC pipe by the way.
    Probably went to the pressure tank... was there one there?
    quote:Originally posted by my well is not well
    The acreage is located just east of Holbrook, in Sun Valley.
    Bill
    Nope sorry, 350 miles from me.

    Rancher

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    A picture or two would be worth a thousand words, do you have a digital camera? If so, take a few, shrink them down to less than 1.47 MB and post them for us to look at.

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    Pump house professors,
    The well was completed in 1976, it was registered in Az. in 1981. The drilling comapany was Miller Drilling Co. Depth 80' 8" hole... diameter of casing 6"... casing depth 75'... steel casing 1/4"... max pump capacity is 7 gpm... depth of water 30'... water from 15' to 70'... 0 to 15' grey shale... 15 to 75' samd amd gravel... 75 to 80' red shale.
    My new questions...
    *Does the 7gpm give a clue to the pump size...
    *Does it sound to you that the gpm would be sufficient to accomodate a residence with enough pressure...
    *Is this a sound well, will it run dry....
    *what does those tree discriptions of the shale mean....
    Thanks again, Bill.... ps pictures pretty soon

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    quote:Originally posted by my well is not well

    *Does the 7gpm give a clue to the pump size...
    1/2 HP will work at that GPM and depth.
    quote:Originally posted by my well is not well

    **Does it sound to you that the gpm would be sufficient to accomodate a residence with enough pressure...
    We can't tell you that, you didn't say if it was just you or you and your wife, or... this is Arizona so it could be you and your Seven wives and 35 children]
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    quote:Originally posted by my well is not well

    **Is this a sound well, will it run dry
    **what does those tree discriptions of the shale mean....
    The water in Northern Arizona is sporatic, some of it is deep in the layers of shale, the two descriptions of shale just mean the color and what was in the ocean when it was layed down. What you have is a gravel/sand layer between two layers of shale, i.e what you got is all you're going to get, rain will not replenish it. There is an electical power plant at Holbrook AZ that gets it's water from several thousand feed down in the shale/sandstone, it's estimated that the water they are using for power generation is Millions of years old.

    Rancher


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    why oh why did my dad ever buy land so far away anyway.... Victorville and Barstow could pass for Holbrook any day...
    very funny about the amount of people in one house.... but you forgot about the trillions of range cattle down there... but just where in the heck does all that water go to when it rains, doesn't it seep down past the clay? It couldn't possibly evaporate that fast. But then again, if liquid does indeed seep down, that is not good news for me being a septic tank owner.
    Is 80' a deep well or shallow well. I could never drink that water even 20 years ago. It was not tasty at all.
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