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    Hi, I am interested in putting a hand pump on a deep well (200') on my property while installing a regular electric pump on a water well for our home being built in the country. I have been looking at the Model 100 from Alternative Energy Systems Co. which supposedly can be lowered right in alongside with the electric mechanism and attached at the well head. It is made of stainless steel and looks like it will do the trick. This way, in the event of a power outage, you can use the hand pump handle to bring up water. This pump is a new version of the old hand pump I am familiar with as a kid in Iowa.

    I have also seen what appears to be a cast iron version of the old fashioned deep well hand pump I think is made by Monitor Baker 11HD. However, I don't think the 11HD can be placed alongisde the electrical pump in a standard house well situation.

    The problem is this, we live in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, just west in Weatherford. I am having trouble finding well drillers who are interested in anything new, innovative or alternative. Do you have any suggestions or can you recommend anyone in our area who might be intrested in installing a manual system alongside the electrical?

    Thanks, Martu

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    Hi Marty,

    First of all, how big is the well you want to drill in inchs?

    What is the link to this deep well pump site so we can see what it looks like and if it will really work?

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    Please tell us why the Baker/Monitor deep well hand pump cannot be put in the well along side the pipe for the electric pump. I am very interested in the answer because that is what we were planning to do. I know that they promote the SIMPLE hand pump as a good one to place beside the electric one.........but I like the Baker/Monitor better. Doug

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    The Baker has to attach to the top of the casing with a flange. This makes it impossible to hang a sub with it. Beside that, the droppipe for the Baker is 1-1/4" galvanized pipe, that's 1-1/2" outside diameter. The sub is about 3-7/8" od.

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    I am confused about why the Baker/Monitor will not fit in the well casing alon side my electric pump. With a 6 inch well casing it seems it would work. The sub will be hung at a deeper depth than the hand pump and we will have a ground level access on the outside of the casing via a pitless adapter. Have you had a chance to check out the Alternative Energy Co. site that Martu mentioned. It looked like they had the Simple pump. Doug

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    I have never seen it done. I suppose in a 6" well there may be room for a two inch cylindar to squeeze past the pitless tee in the well. Then there is the problem of scraping the wire in the well that feeds electric to the submersible. If this happens, everything will have to come out of the well. Since the droppipe will want to center itself in the well, and your trying to push it over to one side with the cylindar that has to be hung down into the water you are going to be scraping the droppipe every inch of the way. Then there is the problem of the inside rod that moves the plunger up and down in the cylindar rubbing the pipe that you have bent around the pitless tee. Remember the droppipe for the cylindar has to be 1-1/4".

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    Doug here again. Hope I am not asking stupid questions but I am still a bit confused. Why would the droppipe want to center itself in the well? Would not the droppipe for the sub be able to hang along the inside edge of the casing? I also do not understand your concern about getting around the pittles tee. I am thinking that with 6 inches there should be plenty of room. You comments are appreciated.

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    The pitless tee is configured to center the droppipe inside the casing no matter what size the well is. At least that has been my finding.

    Like I said before, I have not tried it so I could be totally wrong.

    But the simple fact that the Deep well hand pump has to be mounted to the casing with a ridgid cast flange which will center the 1-1/4" droppipe with the 7/16" rod inside of it. That steel pipe is not going to like being shoved to the side of the casing while going past the pitless tee and the rest of the way down the well. I can see a major bind in the sucker rod.

    How about looking at this deep well pump (scroll down to the Oasis deep well pump) and see if it would suit your needs. It's not the pretty Baker pump, but would give you the water your needing in emergencies.

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    quote:Originally posted by honthaas

    Doug here again. Hope I am not asking stupid questions but I am still a bit confused. Why would the droppipe want to center itself in the well? Would not the droppipe for the sub be able to hang along the inside edge of the casing? I also do not understand your concern about getting around the pittles tee. I am thinking that with 6 inches there should be plenty of room. You comments are appreciated.
    Let's look at the math... a 6" well casing, a pitless adapter that sticks into the 6" casing about 3+", a 4" submersible pump on at least 1" drop pipe with cable and we try to force fit the 1.25" pipe for this hand pump.

    First you don't want the drop pipe and/or cable rubbing the casing, so most of us use cable guards to prevent that and then... you don't want the submersible pump's torque rubbing the side of the motor or wet end against the casing, so we use a torque arrestor to center the pump in the casing. Doing all that more or less centers the drop pipe although on an angle from its connection at the pitless down toward the pump but at least to the highest cable guard.

    So although the drop pipe is offset toward the center of the pitless, the pump is basically centered in the 6" casing or at best off set 2" leaving the drop pipe at about 1.25" off the side of the casing at the pump. Where's the space for the straight line down the center of the casing for the 1.25" hand pump pipe being off the center line by half the 1.25"? Or IOWs, remove 1.25" out of the center of the 6" casing diameter and fit everything else in the remaining space.

    It won't/can't get past the pitless but if it did, it then runs into the drop pipe and power cable somewhere on down the well.

    Now if you had an 8" well, and 3" submersible pump.... maybe you'd have a shot.

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