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    What type of well cover and heater to use

    I purchase a small cottage on a half acre here in Ohio two years ago. I share the well on my property with two other homes. The next door neighbors are a man and woman, the other home has a man and woman with children and grandchildren that visit every weekend and have a boat to wash. I have a flower and veg garden to water. I have been paying the well pump elec bill for two years now and I want to start charging them by the year...when the well freezes or the pump needs repair they are make decisions with out consulting me or taking my suggestions into consideration and charging me for it..so I think it is time to start charging them for the elec bill that I am paying to run all of our homes. It cant be a whole lot but it adds up.

    I have another situation...my neighbors want to build a new well cover to replace the old wooden cover that is too heavy to lift and does not insulate the pipes at all. They do not let me have any input in how this well is taken care of. I have discussed this with them and they say this will change. Anyway, when they build the new house over it, they say they want to insulate the pipes somehow. What is the best way to do this so I can have some input when this takes place? The opening is a square concrete hole about 4'x6'x2'D. The copper pipes lay on top of the dirt ground and everything is exposed. The current wood house looks like a box that sets on top with a slanted roofed top that someone threw together 40 years ago. Being a woman I don't want the new box to look ugly either. You can not hardly lift the current box and we need to have some type of doors on the new one. Also what type of heater or lamp do we need in there and what is that going to cost to run monthly?
    We have had the well freeze three times now.

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    I'll leave this one up to some of the Northern guys. I am in Florida and don't know what is available these days.

    Good luck, and stand up to them. You could cut them off any time you like and they should be aware of that.

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    Thank you for responging...however I can not cut off the service to my neighbors..due to a legal right through the township...and I would not do that to them anyway...I am not trying to repay evil for evil...I just feel I have a right to charge them for the services I pay for that they share.

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    I'm not saying to cut them off, but if they want to continue spending your money for you, I would let them know that it could happen in the future. You must look out for yourself. You can always turn the other cheek, but remember you only have two of them.

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    Hello and thanks for the reply..I sent them each a letter requesting the back money that they owe me for the electric and requesting a copy of the bills for repairs that they have not shared with me...anyway...no it is not a possibility to cut them off legally...they have legal written authority to share the well. Thanks for the input.

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    Do they have legal right to use the water without sharing in the expenses?

    quote:They do not let me have any input in how this well is taken care of.
    This is where you have the clout by having the electrical meter in your name and the breaker. You could also have valves installed that could cut each one of them off it this continues. Even though there is some agreement between the folks that lived there before and them; there is no reason why you should be paying all the bills.

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    First off let me say I hate attorneys.

    You need an attorney for advice.

    I would put a water meter on each of the three lines, and bill them accordingly for their usage.

    Or... and Speedbump knows I'm devious.

    Put a storage tank and pressure tank in your basement, a check valve between the storage tank and the well so the water doesn't flow back, and turn on the power to the pump every night from 2AM to 5AM and fill up your storage tank, then turn off the switch to the pump.

    I don't think you will get your back payment for electricity, it depends on what your deed for the cottage and land really says.

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    Hello,
    Thanks for your reply...I sent them letters...we all get along pretty much...the guys are just shovenistic and try to run everything without consulting me. They probably think they are helping to take care of things but I need to be involved too.
    They will pay for the back elec. because they did not charge me for the first $300 bill to make up for the elec. But I just want to keep everything documented from now on.

    Thanks for the tips about the check valves and such...I will definately look into it.

    the average monthly elec used per mo for a 1.5 pump is $2.52 for 2 hours of use per day...so that is what I charged them.

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    to rancher,
    also i had a septic tank and leach field put in last summer and GOOD LUCK finding their water lines. they dug down a whole story and still didnt run into them. We are not at each others throat or anything. I would never do anything to harm them or anything vengful...its not worth it.

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    shovenistic? I assume that they are fixing things that don't work or cause the system to not work well; like freeze protection and ease of access now.

    Do they know what they are doing and doing 'it' right or not? Do you know what to do, and are you capable of maintaining this water system that you bought into? IOWs, can and will you wield tools and get your hands dirty?

    If not on any count, you might want to look at their doing this stuff when and before it needs done, as the most inexpensive and simplest way out of your being a small water system operator... especially if legally you have a responsibility to provide two families with potable water.

    Otherwise, it could become very expensive and time consuming along with extreme confusion and stress for you since you being a woman'n all, not knowing how or what to do and then having to hire male 'pros' to do any and everything.

    I guess I'm trying to say, look at this from a married or live in male point of view. They are providing for and protecting their families etc. while living with women that just don't want any problems and when there is one, they want it fixed RIGHT NOW and on their time frame regardless!, before you find yourself in a testosterone filled mine field so to speak.

    If not then you should be grateful and not become sexist. They aren't billing you for their time etc. or overcharging you are they?

    And IMO a friendly in person visit is MUCH BETTER than any impersonal letter.

    Let's face it, so far this seems to be portrayed as if they have hurt your feelings and now they get to pay... they may not pay gladly or without extracting a pound of flesh or some such from you; and they seem to have the law on their side, so kiss kiss might be a better strategy than impersonal official letters that just may be read as disrespectful after all they've done for you; and probably free for that matter while they really wanted to watch sports and drink adult beverages of their choice, only those alowed by their wonmen of course! instead of playing in the dirt outside in your cold'n windy OH snow bound yard on their hands'n knees in the muck not really knowing what to do or how to do it but still giving it their best shot while internally the stress is killing them slowly'n silently long before their time.

    If I'm wrong in any of that, sorry but although it's been many years, I've been accused of being chauvinistic myself. We are divorced now 21 years. She has lived alone for that time and gained 75 lbs. She divorced me, I guess we could say it was due to my refusal to join the other men in the '70s and '80s that were merrily going off into the Feminization of the American male movement. lol

    Anyway, as to building a pump house or shed to replace that well pit roof, they/you have to realize that the drop pipe plumbing down the well or the submersible pump will have to be, at some time in the future, be pulled up out of the well through any roof AND you need sufficient space around the well to get a derrick truck or pump pulling machine on the well casing, and to work.

    As to freezing, an insulated and heated pump house is good but it has to be able to be taken apart for access to the well... extending the well casing out of the ground and adding a pitless adapter does away with any need for insulation and a building etc..

    Just don't then plant posies around the well. And that is the best simplest and least expensive choice. You can use sch 40 PVC and a Fernco fitting to bring the casing up and add a pitless adapter to it or the original casing. You have to dig down around the well deep enough to add the pitless below the local frost line. My guess would be maybe 4' in OH.


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